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20 Jun 2025 10:56 AM
20 Jun 2025 10:56 AM
TW: mentions child abuse, etc.
I have made my way to age 41 'slipped through the cracks' of childhood neglect/trauma/etc.
I have done a lot of therapy in my life, I have achieved a lot of things. Yet inside my heart is a broken clock and I have no motivation, no close friends, no positive image of myself: every day feels like a roulette wheel where I spin around trying to catch up with the outside world, which moves so fast it's a blur.
If I do something active my brain and body will connect. If I play my guitar and sing my brain and body will connect.
Before this crap: I feel the joy of playing guitar and singing so I do that because I love it.
During this crap: I only feel the white noise and I want to sit still and cry for 8 hours and not play the guitar.
Old life: I was regularly connected to other people who play music in groups.
New life: I don't have a car and I can't afford to get to the music groups and I walk everywhere and I am too tired to walk around at night 2-3km walking + train trip = debilitating exhaustion.
I feel that the natural answer is to be a street busker in the day time, but to me that accepts that I will never get another job and that being a homeless bum is my fate.
As I have been homeless several times due to money problems, I have to choose to be miserable having a job or trying to get a job - being happy by playing guitar on the street in the sun and connecting with people.
After many years of hard labour my body has started to fall apart.
AT WORK I am the same maladjusted person who does not know love, I am an empty and hollow person, but I have something in my life to keep me away from the haunting coldness inside (my mothers contempt for me).
WITHOUT WORK I only feel the coldness inside.
My mother abused me all my life "get a job" but in the modern workforce I am offer absolutely nothing as I do not have a friendly female attitude I have a "STFU and do your job" attitude as I was never socialised as a female and I spent the first 40 years of my life working with men.
Now those old men have retired I have an old man attitude and people want to hire a "nice lady" well I am simply not a nice lady, there is no motherly attitude in me as I despise people asking for emotional gratification from me. No one gratifies me, I am not their mother at work or anywhere in life.
So there is an additional later people view a friendly, pudgy, womanly face and they expect to be loved as a child or a man-child, and I don't have compassion for anyone in life especially not at work. I go to work to leave my problems at the door and I can't relate to ANY problems of normal people because my problems are related to having a toxic and abusive family that ruined my life.
Additionally, because my mother has denied all of the abuse in our lives I feel plagued by this situation:
20 Jun 2025 11:43 AM - edited 20 Jun 2025 11:47 AM
20 Jun 2025 11:43 AM - edited 20 Jun 2025 11:47 AM
welcome to the forums @Sugarshack
sounds like you've gone through a lot, and i can hear how much pain your mum had, and still is, causing you. i'm so sorry you've had to experience this - please know your feelings are valid. i was brought up in a household where similar phrases like "always listen to your parents, they know what's right" was strictly enforced. even as an adult, i've been told that and it's been really difficult to shake off. the truth is, parents don't always know everything - they're human too, they make mistakes and they're imperfect, and unfortunately some end up hurting us more than helping us. i'm sorry that she hurt you, and i can see you've been trying so hard to find yourself and navigate the world. i hope connecting here helps 💙
i see that music and guitar used to bring you joy - what about it did you love? are you open to exploring other new/different hobbies/activities in the meantime?
i absolutely hear how hard and exhausting it can be not being able to drive to the music group and having to constantly walk around. i wonder, is there an online music group option or something similar?
i hear how you view street busking, and i assure you - doing it won't seal your fate. it doesn't mean you won't get another job!! if it's something that's more comfy for you than working around others, perhaps it is worth a go?
we're all different - and if chit chatting to people you can't relate to isn't for you - that's totally okay too. it doesn't mean you're at fault, but rather, you may need a different work environment? you're allowed to unapologetically be you 💙
i also wanted to check-in with you, are you able to stay safe for now? let us know how we can support you 💙
(p.s. i've edited your post to add in some content/trigger warnings so that the community stays safe. you check out our Guidelines and technical support - SANE Forums. if you any questions about it, feel free to reach out!)
20 Jun 2025 12:00 PM
20 Jun 2025 12:00 PM
Welcome to the forum @Sugarshack
I can relate to issues around musicianship and private selves and public persona. Performance can be a diligent practice and at times feel like a show or a mask. My family was full of musos, but also mental health issues and homelessness. Yes busking has been an option, but I am lucky I don’t have to do it at the moment. Music in groups can be fulfilling.
Seems like you are in a transitional stage. Good luck with all the adulting and sorting out the “hardware “ issues in life, so you can do more of what you love. Tag me if you want to talk. I may not respond immediately but will get back to you.
Look around the forums and join in to discussions when you feel moved. I hope you meet like minded folks.
20 Jun 2025 03:49 PM
20 Jun 2025 03:49 PM
23 Jun 2025 05:46 PM
23 Jun 2025 05:46 PM
Thankyou for the editing.
I get this type of "switching" going on. Under my mother's rules i am not allowed to do music or have friends. For many years this was an extreme repression, amnesia and performance anxiety.
I noticed a pattern I owned a guitar for 25 years and just moved it around with me never played it but I really loved it and i would sit and hold it. Fast forward through some trauma processing I remembered at one point I had played the guitar in year 2 and really loved it.
Then I started paying for music lessons as an adult and I LOVED the guitar so much even went through a phase I was getting two lessons a week spending all my money on the lessons.
It is something about social acceptance if I see other people with guitars or if I am in a band I am "allowed" to play guitar in my mind and I will do it a lot.
But somehow at certain chapters of life "If i identify as a bad person i cant do music and if i have external factors that remind me i am a musician i can do music"
As a kid I was a highly talented and prolific musician but my mother beat me constantly for playing music so it is associated with pain and rejection.
Once upon a life I could FEEL emotions from "my life" but for about 10 years "my life" has been so cursed with unpredictablilty, unreliability, cost of living and rental crisis, I rarely feel anything at all, every day is monotonous of no connection to emotions.
BUT somehow the presence of other people will make me connect to emotions and to myself. When I am acknowledged by my friends I feel powerful.
Yet if I do not exist without my friends what am I and how come my SELF has become stuffed further inside my body when it should be flying loud and proud outside because I have not only fixed up a lot of trauma I have gained a lot of skill.
OLD LIFE: Hates my mother as a nemesis, plays music as defiance, hoped to join a band and play gigs.
MIDDLE LIFE: Did not care about my mother, Joined some bands, played some gigs, had a cracker time. Car died, Can't afford car. Car was very good for carrying instruments to jams. Music cost me $5000-10,000/year to keep the car going.
NEW LIFE: Hates my mother as a powerful demon who broke my entire life, does not play music just sits around sadly with no motivation to do anything, no hope for the future.
IF my mum hated my music SO I played it to keep her nice and angry
IF I decided it's part of the family sickness to hate and irritate each other
WITHOUT being fuelled by hate where is my motivation?
BECAUSE somehow in escaping from the "good mother bad child" dyad I have become "bad mother no child" persona where my ADULT self as a fairly out there person has gone back inside a middle aged veneer, and my brain knows I should think this "I no longer get abused by the mother and i am a bit competent at music so I should love the chase of it but how come since I shut down abuse I am not motivated any more"
and
"when i am outside of my house i can really feel a lot of songs moving around in me and once upon a time i would write those down but now if I think of music it disappears under the memory"
Does anyone register this:
"Thinks of music or other activity that brings a lot of happiness"
"Remembers that it broke and the other people are gone and a lot of grief for bandmates whom are gone"
"Forgets to do music/purposefully does not do music"
"Sits on phone for 8 hours arguing on social media comments"
WTF this loser person is the opposite of me. ME is a person who is used to 90% isolation and eccentric character and having friends and community but since the outside world of friends, community, the car etc went away, I just sit in my room passing every day by.
***That said I got a role in a musical ensemble and when I am there I feel beyond happy. When I get home it's like that world doesn't exist and I am my usual sad self but, my old self would have been walking around VERY excited about the role, motivated and seeking more opportunities. (Defensive mode if I tell the people around me they will be jealous of me and theres no point to feel happy as it willl all evaporate soon anyway and you're a fake artist with zero degrees and qualifications, only 25 years of existence in the arts world but gets thrown on the scrapheap and has been replaced by young graduates who dont even know their craft"
It is a horrible existence, inside me is ME but I am still trapped under devoid emotions and, in society all the other devoid people have died, left town or got medicated.
23 Jun 2025 06:33 PM
23 Jun 2025 06:33 PM
hi @Sugarshack it's nice hearing back from you.
not being allowed to do music or have friends must've been extremely tough, i'm so sorry you had to grow up being restricted in that way. music is supposed to bring joy, and i hate that you were punished by your mother for it. i can see that your relationship with music grew stronger as an adult, but also holds quite a complex meaning. sounds like you're working really hard to understand how your thoughts are wired, and find a way to re-wire it from pain/rejection to something more positive/neutral. you mentioned that sometimes it's motivated by defiance and anger rather than joy... that makes a lot of sense and i think that's valid. even when it came from a place of releasing anger, music seems to have provided you some freedom of expression?
wow great to hear you've got a role in a musical ensemble! i'm glad it brings you a lot of joy. i also see that there's a lot of pain once you're away from the music/musicians. i know you mentioned you've done therapy before, but i am wondering if you'd be open to talk to a professional again? is music therapy something you've tried before?
23 Jun 2025 08:02 PM
23 Jun 2025 08:02 PM
I have run out of money at present but it is a good idea to look at participating in music therapy, in the long view.
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