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Dimity|Senior Contributor|Last message about 14 hours ago
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Yeahright86|Contributor|Last message 8 days ago
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Lagoon2020|New Contributor|Last message 22 days ago
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Aljo2345|Casual Contributor|Last message 25 days ago
Rethinking Male Suicide: Intent, Terminology, and the Crisis of Unseen Suffering

Suicide is among the leading causes of death worldwide, yet the discourse surrounding it remains imprecise, particularly in how it frames gender differences. Statistically, men die by suicide at rates significantly higher than women across most countries, with some age groups showing a 3-4 x difference. Conventional explanations often point to methodology—arguing that men use more lethal means—while simultaneously noting that women attempt suicide more frequently. This narrative, however, risks oversimplifying the issue and inadvertently minimizing the depth of male suffering by treating fatality as a function of method alone, rather than intent and broader psychosocial context. The existing terminology around suicide, particularly the use of the term “suicide attempt,” fails to capture important distinctions between serious, determined efforts to die and non-lethal, communicative acts often intended as cries for help. By conflating these behaviours under one category, both clinical and academic understandings of suicide are weakened, and the particular crisis facing men—who more often die rather than survive—is obscured. Furthermore, the current framing often portrays female suicide behaviour as more frequent and complex, while male suicide is reduced to a tragic inevitability tied to “violent methods.” This perspective deflects from addressing the underlying psychological, social, and cultural factors that uniquely affect men. It is not merely that men die because they choose more lethal methods—it is also that they are less likely to seek help, more likely to internalize distress, and more resolved in their intent when they act. A Case for Conceptual PrecisionThe term “suicide attempt” encompasses a wide array of actions—from high-intent, lethal efforts to expressions of emotional pain without a true desire to die. This semantic imprecision leads to skewed data, vague clinical diagnoses, and poorly targeted interventions. It is crucial to recognize that some attempts reflect a clear and final intent to end life, while others are ambivalent or primarily communicative.To address this issue, there is value in a refined taxonomy that distinguishes among types of suicidal behavior, based on intent, lethality, and underlying motivation: CategoryDefinitionDetermined Suicide AttemptHigh-lethality actions with strong, unambiguous intent to die. These often involve no prior disclosure or warning.Ambivalent Suicide AttemptThe individual may want to die but is also open to being saved; the behavior reflects conflict rather than certainty.Communicative Self-HarmActs not driven by a desire to die but by a need to express emotional pain, distress, or call for support.Impulsive or Experimental ActsActions taken under acute distress or influence (e.g., substances), with unclear understanding of consequences. By distinguishing these categories, we can improve the accuracy of both risk assessment and research, while acknowledging the unique psychological profiles behind various suicidal behaviours.Reframing the Male Suicide Crisis The high rate of completed suicides among men must not be viewed as an unfortunate byproduct of method choice. It is more accurately understood as the result of a societal failure to recognize and address male suffering. Factors such as rigid masculinity norms, economic disenfranchisement, emotional suppression, and lack of mental health engagement converge to create a landscape where men are not only more likely to reach crisis but are less likely to escape it. Moreover, the common narrative that “women attempt more, men complete more” can subtly imply that female suffering is more visible and thus more legitimate, while male suicide becomes background noise. This deflection devalues the depth of despair men experience and hinders the development of male-cantered prevention strategies. There is clear value in a re-evaluation of how suicidal behaviour is categorized and discussed, particularly in regard to male mental health. By embracing a more nuanced, intent-sensitive taxonomy and confronting the stigma that surrounds male emotional expression, both clinical practice and public discourse can evolve. We must move beyond the reductive focus on method and instead understand that the rising toll of male suicide is a reflection of neglected pain, structural silence, and preventable loss. Would love to hear others’ thoughts on this. Have you come across research that challenges or supports this kind of categorization? Are there models out there already moving in this direction?

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avant-garde|Senior Contributor|Last message 29 days ago
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chibam|Senior Contributor|Last message 2 days ago
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Dimity|Senior Contributor|Last message about 1 month ago
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avant-garde|Senior Contributor|Last message 23 days ago
Child Sexual Abuse (TW)

There's been talk about the impacts of child sexual abuse during the early years... I've noticed it in me for the last 7-9 years... I don't have many memories without it... mine started around when my younger brother was born... before I even went to pre-kindy... it went on for over 20 years... The impacts of CSA varies for individuals, but one thing I have learned is that up until the age is 7 you're still developing the neural pathways associated with who you are and what is your purpose. When those pathways aren't nurtured and developed in a loving and caring environment it leaves lasting and very damaging consequences, consequences we will spend the rest of our lives dealing with. In 2023 I wrote this about the unseen consequences of trauma, the impacts my CSA had on me that I was noticing... "Abuse though means that you don't see yourself ever getting out, and that's exactly what the abuser wants, so that when you do get out, you have no one. There is no one to help you because they think your abuser is a good person who could never hurt anyone, let alone their daughter, so you run.You try to find somewhere, you try to find someone to help you, but you're alone and you know it. You don't know how to live outside of an abusive environment, what normal looks like, that you move somewhere only to have them kick you out because you don't know how to live somewhere else, somewhere where they don't control your every move. You learn though and each house gets longer that you stay at. Your relationships are the most confusing part though, you don't know how you should be treated because all you have known is abuse and nobody helped you then, so you get taken advantage of now. People see you differently, the damaged girl, the broken girl, she has no one, something must have happened to her, she has no family, she's alone.When someone treats you nicely it scares you that you run from it because that's how it all starts and you don't want to get hurt again. You don't trust anyone and you don't trust yourself. You don't know where to find help or whether you would let them help you anyway.People ask you about your family and you don't how to respond because you can't go back to them when you fought so hard to get away and it takes everything in you to stay away. You grieve when you see other families, what you consider normal and nobody seems to understand that, that your normal was different, your normal was abuse. Family gives you a bad taste in your mouth and that you may never see yours again and that people asking about them leads to you struggling because it hurts too much. We think the trauma ends when we escape the abuse but it doesn't, it's uncertain if it ever really ends, because the unseen consequences of the trauma follow you into adulthood, because you were never prepared for something other than abuse. That's why people go back, they don't know anything else, how they're meant to be treated, how to live somewhere else, how to do something else, how to interact with society and we feel that nobody can help us because those that are meant to never have and we're too scared to let anyone else try. The trauma we experience sets us up for failure and only the strong make it out as functional human beings. It displaces what should have been our childhood into our future that leaves us at a disadvantage because of the lack of learning and the cost it takes to learn later in life, a cost that not all are willing to bear." I know for me now... the wiring in my brain became different... it wired for survival rather than love and so my brain protected me and adapted... found that libraries are safe... but no where else really was... Being a CSA survivor, I am going to be honest, with our current system... we're set up to fail.All our lives the system has failed us from failing to protect us as children, failing to see us as adults and failing to hear us as survivors.  It takes a community to raise a child/personIt takes a community to abuse a child/personIt takes a community to heal that child/person So where is that community*? Where is the help we do desperately need to recover and live the lives we never dared to dream? *Not counting sane

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goatlatte|Contributor|Last message 13 days ago
Mental Health and Wellbeing Commission in Victoria

Fairly recently, the "Mental Health and Wellbeing Commission" was created. According to the mission statement, the purpose of this organisation is ...to ensure the government is accountable for the performance, quality, and safety of the mental health and wellbeing system, including the implementation of recommendations made by the Royal Commission into Victoria's Mental Health System.Has anyone seen them doing that? My own experience with them over help with a complaint was four or five weeks at a time to reply, giving strange answers that didn't meet what I had written, telling the organisation I was complaining about the wrong thing leading to the organisation I was complaining about sending me bizarre emails that didn't have anything at all to do with my complaint... and when the organisation eventually admitted staff were wrong and made it care they didn't care to continue engaging further, the MHWC said that's all they can do and closed the complaint. A second complaint about a different service (that refused service when they realised I was actually an escalation from the PHN and not a walkin) took four emails backwards and forwards before the worker assigned to me actually understood what city the service was in, then went silent for four or five weeks without any communication?Are they there to actually do anything or enforce correct standards on mental health organisations in Victoria, which is what they're supposed to do? It feels a bit like an approach with specific call centre based mental health charities, where you set something up that's next to useless, but because it "exists" everyone feels like they don't have to do anything further? I have another friend, a woman with BPD who complained about something serious and got a similar treatment: complete disinterest, not understanding basic things and not really doing anything. I get the feeling of MHWC complaints isn't to help consumers of mental health services here: I think it helps the people delivering services badly by making it seem like the government is doing something, when they're really not?Has anyone gotten a good outcome from them?

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Dimity|Senior Contributor|Last message about 1 month ago
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