21-04-2025 08:37 PM - edited 21-04-2025 08:40 PM
21-04-2025 08:37 PM - edited 21-04-2025 08:40 PM
This came up in my youtube reccommends this afternoon:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fxZccQ7J-XA.
I thought it was very interesting.
The guy goes on a bit about issues specific to the American mental health system, but I think that most of the video probably applies very well to the situation here in Australia, too.
20-05-2025 01:26 PM
20-05-2025 01:26 PM
@chibam Dr Josef comes up on my feed too. I like that he wants to undertake causes of and care of mental health. He is Aussie who married an American.
yes , much of it is relevant here.
20-05-2025 04:51 PM
20-05-2025 04:51 PM
Thanks, @Appleblossom 🙂
I didn't do a deep dive into the guy's background, but I figured it would be something along those lines. He has a distinct Aussie accent, yet it's pretty obvious from the content that he's based in America and is primarily targeting an American audience.
21-05-2025 09:38 AM
21-05-2025 09:38 AM
@chibam Its just the old numbers game, in a number and stats mad world. There are more of them on the other side of the Pacific. Are we suffering a brain drain?
In Australia there are a few players:
Jon Jureidini or
Niall McLaren
Do you know any others?
21-05-2025 05:21 PM
21-05-2025 05:21 PM
Not many off the top of my head, @Appleblossom . Niall McLaren is the main name that comes to mind. There's also that Simon Katterl, who published that landmark "Not Before Time" report about the ills of the mental health system - supposedly against the wishes of the government.
I should probably start keeping a list of the interesting/impressive voices I encounter in the public mental health dialogue.
Yeah, it makes sense that there would be more voices coming out of America then here, doesn't it? I mean America has something like 10x-12x the population of Australia, doesn't it? So, in theory, you should find the American commentators on mental health outnumbering ours on that sort of scale.
There's a really interesting American speaker, whose lectures I encountered online a few years ago, named Paula Caplan, who really opened my eyes to the true depths of the rot in the mental health system.
21-05-2025 07:59 PM
21-05-2025 07:59 PM
You probably already know this, @Appleblossom , but another really interesting video from Dr. Josef popped up in my feed today: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YqMBqlRtsXk - '20 Brutally Honest Truths About Psychiatry'.
It mostly delves into the system's preoccupation with medication, but it also touches on the deeper flaws that are behind the mental health system's outward problems, including it's preoccupation with medication.
I wish we had a lot more voices out there like this guy's.
21-05-2025 08:27 PM
21-05-2025 08:27 PM
Yep @chibam re Paula Caplan. Mad in America and UK, and the European versions celebrating Mad Pride are worth looking at.
yep reKatterl. I keep trying to feed myself hopeful narratives that are actually realistic, and not PR that doesn’t address the issues around carceral psychiatry and chemical restraint.
22-05-2025 05:18 PM - edited 22-05-2025 05:19 PM
22-05-2025 05:18 PM - edited 22-05-2025 05:19 PM
@Appleblossom wrote:yep reKatterl. I keep trying to feed myself hopeful narratives that are actually realistic, and not PR that doesn’t address the issues around carceral psychiatry and chemical restraint.
I'll be honest, @Appleblossom , I've been following the inquiry into last year's Bondi Junction incident pretty closely, and I can really see the government and the media buttoning down the whole thing to the very simple & neat explanation of 'an inept psychiatrist who unwisely took a schizophrenic off his meds.'
There's a hunger admits the government and general public for a quick and easy way to fix all the people who don't fit in. And this story is playing right into the hands of the people who want to believe that meds solve everything, and that problems only arise when the meds aren't being taken.
Nothing seems to be prompting these investigators to look any deeper into what was happening with this man. They have the perfect answer laid out right in front of them on a silver platter.
I think it'll probably take the patient community at least a decade to recover from this. It's just too convienient to see this as a vindication of the idea that "meds prevent tragedies", and because this is such a high-profile incident, it'll be right through the media as a leading headline, and therefore it'll become deeply settled in the minds of the general public.
22-05-2025 08:02 PM
22-05-2025 08:02 PM
Hearing you @chibam
I have avoided it. I figured it might go that way, with the general trends in the media. It’s all too tragic, including lives lost, and lack of good investigation and understanding which may negatively impact others. I do need to be realistic about tendencies in the system and how it impacts loved ones.
I tend towards alternative approaches. Eg.,
https://www.mindaustralia.org.au/news/stratford-scholarship-recipient-explore-new-responses-suicide
23-05-2025 11:22 AM
23-05-2025 11:22 AM
https://form.jotform.com/250557245529866?mc_cid=53e6712e12
@chibam in terms of consumer movement, this could be interesting.
Yet I am also mindful, that a system of poster celebrities, as a main discussion in recovery… could lead to hidden mental health problems for the many who fall through the cracks in what might have become a winners and losers game. Even though it had good intentions.
we need robust debate in our advocacy space.
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